Journal #1

9/6/2018

Many of the stories on a women’s point of view show the protagonist as being possibly physically or spiritually flawed. Thinking about how women have been portrayed in past history, is history for women any different today because of the work in literature by authors such as those we have been reading?

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Hanlin Meng

9/7/2018 05:31:42 pm

The process of female character created can be mirrored by the works of Disneyland. In the past,the woman like Snow White or Cinderella was always beautiful and kind .But they always needed to be protected .The guardians of Snow White were the prince and the hunter .The guardian of Cinderella was fairy. Their destiny is passive .They were saved by the marriages and their powerful husbands, which implied that woman needed a man to depend and marriage was the only home to return to. Until the work "Frozen" was produced later ,Elsa chose to save herself instead of waiting someone else. And her sister Anna helped her to get out of the trouble. The women were brave and independent . The movie is not out of date now. So the characters of women should be colorful instead of being superficial.

Kaydi Villafan

9/8/2018 07:45:45 pm

I strongly agree with your comment; I believe Disney movies should be more inspired in creating a visual representation for the young ones who are watching that you do not need someone to support you. Disney should spread more encouragement to making your own dreams come true such as the movie "Brave" where the protagonist, Merida, wants to be herself and not be a typical princess waiting for a 'prince' to rescue her; such as her mother wants her to be. This represents a change in how a women's past was portrayed,no more to wait on a man's hand and foot.

Jonathan Avila

9/9/2018 09:33:46 pm

I agree with you Kaydi, Disney should continue to make films showing that women can resolve their own problems without a masculine man coming to their rescue. i think that if Disney continues to show young children these types of films it will inspire the younger generations to work hard to find their own happiness and make it possible for them to realize them without the help of man.

Jerry Castillo

9/8/2018 01:45:47 am

Throughout the history of women's portrayal's in literature, it has changed towards giving women more vital and important roles equal to a hero or main protagonist would have even as a male character. The history of these kind of portrayals gave women a much more different idea on what there personalities of a woman were interpreted as. A good example can be Katniss Everdeen from the Hunger Games series. Compared to the typical damsel in distress, such as Sleeping beauty, Katniss Everdeen persuades in taking action on doing whatever is necessary for her survival of the hunger games.

This completely changes the portrayal of women in past history because they were always seen as dependent or in some need of being saved. A book like The Hunger Games breaks away from that tradition and creates an empowering female character for the readers to see her as the main protagonist. Not only has book like these change women, it encouraged women in there daily lives in new unique ways that will only grow stronger for women to constantly change the history.

Bryan Fernandez

9/8/2018 02:06:34 pm

I disagree with the comment that you have written. First starter women roles have stayed the same nothing has really changed if you truly see the point. For example, the book Anne Frank was written by a little girl. However someone else published cause of her tragedy. But it impacted both man and woman. In addition, to this you also have to understand the time different from then and now it's completely different. Also, have to thought about how women are thinking now and how they use to think back then.

This portrays women in past history and women from the 21st century. The book twilight contradicts the hunger games because the main character are males. Later on the twilight series the female character Bella becomes empowered to do something and becomes dependent after everything "Edward" has done.

p.s im not an anti-feminist

Diego Beltran

9/9/2018 08:53:34 pm

I agree with what Jerry had to say because a woman now is shown that they can be very strong and independent without the support of a man, they are also portrayed as being the head of the house instead of being the stereotype of staying home and cooking all day. For example in the cartoon show Rugrats the parents of the show have reversed roles the moms are the ones working 24/7 while the dads stay at home and cook and clean.

Damian Verdugo

9/9/2018 11:37:39 pm

I agree with you guys women are being more independent now. They are starting to support themselves now without the help of a man. Back in the days the women would stay home and be a stay at home mom by watching the kids and cleaning the house while the guy went to work to support the family but now in days there are some cases where its the opposite where the women supports the family and the guy is a stay at home dad.

Nancy Nunez

9/8/2018 04:57:33 pm

I disagree with the first person that presented he said, that over history women's roles in literature have not changed but people's perspectives have changed. I agree with Sylvia and Jennifer that in the past women's roles were to be home cooking,cleaning,taking care of the kids, being dependent on their husband or the man in the home. know in days literature has women being the worker, provider, or single mother in a story that shows women being independent.

Christopher vasquez

9/8/2018 07:54:32 pm

I can agree to Sylvia and Jennifer because in the past women purpose were to be at home feed the husband and kids clean the house and repeat the process being dependent on the man. Now in days there are woman that have become writers, single mothers, working to feed their kids becoming independent

Rosa Asencio

9/9/2018 12:53:34 pm

I agree Christopher, but lets think about our children today, who are living with parents who busy working. I am 100% sure we can find a father who doesn't do his part in helping on home and children after work. So are these kids going to be ok? will they feel lonely without the support of family? Are parent overwhelmed from work? I say many will be independent, because they have perfect role models at home. but? Remember not only women are independent but children are more advanced then before (Millenniums). I see, that they think they have the power to make you feel guilty because you are so busy working. Im sorry I got off topic, but i like to think further down the line, the way women were characterized or represented has changed and that means the surrounding also will.

Jonathan Avila

9/9/2018 10:18:08 pm

You do bring up a good point Rosa, with single mothers being busy with work, their children might feel upset that they don't get all the attention they desire. However I feel like if kids were taught that the reason their mothers aren't always available is because they are working hard to provide everything necessary for them to have a better future, they would understand and make it a bit easier for single mothers. It won't be easy but it's not impossible and hopefully this will be a problem that can be resolved that way single mothers don't end up getting another problem to have to find a solution to on their own.

frankie lasso

9/8/2018 07:57:07 pm

I agree with what Jennifer said that the womans mindset has changed I'd say drastically from the past until now. If you can recall from the movie on Tuesday Granny Weatherall couldn't forget about George the man that jilted her. Even though she met and married john, she couldn't forget the shame that George brought to her. Today women are more independent and don't need man to live in society. Which contributes to the mindset that they can forget about a man that brought them shame because they can do better for themselves in the future.

Carlos Montes

9/8/2018 08:44:38 pm

Women's portrayal throughout history changed from what it is today. Women were portrayed as dependent of a man with no basic education, while men were portrayed as superior and the "bread" winner. We see women take lead roles in books, TV shows, and movies such as the 100 and the Harry Potter series. In the show the 100, the main protagonist is a woman surviving in a post-apocalyptic world. She becomes the leader of her people and creates an alliance with the commander of 12 clans who is also portrayed by a woman. This show is filled with strong and intelligent women and are seen as equal to any man. Another example is the Harry Potter series with the lead female character, Hermione Granger, who is considered to be the smartest witch of the century and in most cases, is able to solve problems that Ron and Harry couldn't solve. She is a good role model for young women because she stands up for herself and what she believes in. In today's society, women's role has changed greatly in a positive way.

crystal ramos

9/9/2018 12:07:44 pm

Im going to start of with what the first three candidate said on behalf of the journal. To start of the first candidate said "no, because they offer us perspective of women like in the Chrysanthemums.(It doesn't change)".The other candidate said, "she disagreed with the person before her because she said it gives awareness, women now have more to do & say women have contribute to the economy". The final candidate said,"yes I do believe women back then and now have changed because of what women can do &portrait till this day".

Now I say I agree with the last two candidate because I actually agree that the yes history for women has changed a lot till this day. Women have the power to do many things for example work for themselves , achieve goals that men can reach to and accomplish them & they can chose now if they want to be a stay at home or get an education to be better or just do other many things that women in the past probably wanted to do but couldn't because of the times they lived in and what need to be followed during those times. So in the real life time now many women are things that maybe men never thought they could be or accomplish since back then all they were good for was to be a stay at home housewives or breeders.

Rosa Asencio

9/9/2018 12:40:41 pm

Yes, I agree that women have changed the way they were portrayed from the past and today. Based on the readings I see women are at home, thwy do not show any stress over bills, over anything besides home. They are the protagonist of the short story but they are busy working on something at home.

I don't completely agree with the second person who read their response, who kept saying "poor women"; why? because back then, yes, women were described as home makers, there common responsibilities were taking care of children and homework, house clean and organized, dinner ready, laundry etc.
Everything was appreciated, the women now are independent and we want to be seen as a human who can survive without men. The older women who used to be the home makers, now want to work and keep up with society, but they are tired and are not used to the working life. If there husband who did not allow them to work back then, are divorced, deceased or in need for financial help with how expensive economy has gotten; then they will be forced to work and then its when I can say "POOR WOMEN". We, as women always needed to be independent because we will be the "POOR WOMEN" in the end.

Jesus Banuelos

9/9/2018 02:12:12 pm

I agree with some of the things said on Thursday about the response to the question.
In the past woman were portrayed to be care givers, housewives, and even cooks. But when time past the stories would show how woman wanted to be more then that they wanted to travel alone or leave their homes. Now woman are able to do more then before from going to school and living they're lives and not really have to support on a man to make decisions. In books more woman characters are being presented to make decisions, they can leave home to get a education and make a name for them selfs could marry when they're older not when the father thought it was ready to give them away. But for some rather not marry at all. Woman have changed from stories to real life yes some might say they're not able to do the same as man, like that situation with Serena Williams at the US Open she got fined for talking back to a ref. yet she mentions how some male players can get away with worse things, all she said was that she wanted a apology and called the man a theaf. ($17,000) fine for those words. She stood up for her self and before that I think the Woman would just stay quiet and agree but she didn't. So yes woman have changed and believe they need no man is needed for them to stick up for themselves.

Silvia Sanchez

9/9/2018 07:59:00 pm

I agree Jesus,
Many women athletes get penalized, shamed, etc. For either speaking up and or saying their truth. As for men they do or ALMOST no harm if they speak up or do anything “wrong.” feel like then no matter the circumstances a women in the eyes of public get “ bad publicity” for speaking up and defending themselves. As for today women like Serena aren’t afraid of the repercussions when they stand for their truths. Although, still today we see/ hear women being called, “ Bitchy.” As for a male they are idolized or label them as “Passionate” when they speak strongly about any topic/current event. With society progressing I strongly believe Women are finally taking their stance.

Damian Verdugo

9/9/2018 11:47:47 pm

I agree with you Silvia, there has been recent issuses about why professional women basketball players get paid way far less then the guys that play professional basketball even though they do they same thing. Things are changing for women but there are still some issues going on still like the pay difference between men and women.

vanessa Arellano

9/9/2018 04:06:06 pm

I agree with silvia that times for women has changed. women were portrayed as house wives, cooking, cleaning and having the children and taking care of them.Not exposed to an education or given an equal opportunity for work. women now are more independent, work, own houses and have great jobs and become more successful. women now share duties with their husbands from house work to the kids and even financially. so yes women have come very far.

Silvia Sanchez

9/9/2018 08:06:04 pm

Vanessa I Agree ,
As women we have finally a voice and become our own successors. Women are now business owners, CEOS, “breadwinners” etc. We now have an equal opportunity to compete and receive a proper education. Like my mother she was never truly exposed to a higher eduction and hated it. As for now my sister saw her regret and now makes an more than comfortable living from home. I believe as women we now have the potential to be anyone we want to be.

Marleny Rodriguez

9/9/2018 04:33:57 pm

Yes i agree with what jennifer said becaues now in days you see women going out and getting jobs. Also having the oppurtunity to acheve a high status. women have also evoulved in such way that they work harder them men, becaues they just have to take care of the house and the children but also go work for and proved for the family. If the mother was a single parent then now they have more responibility not just for the kids but more so on how she will make a living to for the faimly. In other words yes i agree that women have come a long way since then

Maureen Alvarado

9/9/2018 05:08:56 pm

I agree with what the last two people said on Thursday. Women were always portrayed as the "damsels in distress" having to wait for a man to rescue them; whether it was in books or movies. Back then women had to depend on men, since they were the ones with jobs and were the man of the house. And a woman's job was to cook, clean, take care of the kids, etc. Throughout the years a lot of that has changed, the way people used to think compared to now has changed drastically because people have become more open minded. What we see now in books and movies are strong independent female leads that don't need rescuing; they're working alongside the male leads as equals. And things like this is what helps change peoples mind set. It also inspires women to be more independent and feel empowered. Now, women are able to work, vote, own a house, choose whether or not to have kids, etc. Although there are some things that women are still fighting for; overall women's roles in today's society have changed for the better.

Duy dao

9/9/2018 06:10:26 pm

Education makes women independent. With education, they learned that everyone is equal. After the abolition of slavery, women realized that they should be treated equally to a man. Back then, women can't vote and they get pay very low compare to men. Also, birth control is illegal. It's a loss for women if they want to be independent. Throughout history, feminists fought for the right of women and proved that they are cable of doing the jobs that men do. In the present, women are being protected by law. Society priorities women and children over men. Women study and enjoy their life until they are married. In a marriage, I think women should spend more time on family rather than working.

Silvia Sanchez

9/9/2018 08:13:14 pm

Duy I agree partially,
Yes, I believe women do have an immense amount of opportunities. Though, I have to disagree that in marriage a women should spend more time on their family rather than working. I believe between a man a women their should be balance on who spends time with the family. As much as it is important for a mother to be very hands on with the family; so does a father.

Eduardo Solis

9/9/2018 07:12:43 pm

Since the beginning of human time there has been a distinct unbalance between male and female roles. I agree with what Sylvia and Jennifer had to say about the progression of Women's roles in society. Several historical events such as WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, etc... have all managed to give woman the opportunity to take charge and do exactly what a man can do if not better by allowing them to work and be involved in sports. A women's role in literature much like our current society has changed and developed for the better although it is still not 100% equal to that of a mans role. For example, a male actor is more likely to be paid a greater amount of money than a female actress with the same type of screen time and character importance in the film/show. Several industries such as Disney play an important role in the way society perceives a strong female lead. Movies such as Mulan and Brave not only highlight the tenacity, intelligence, and strength of a women, it also sets a strong influence to male and female children who grow up respecting and idolizing such characters.

I agreed with Jennifer and Sylvia when they included how opportunities for women have improved and aren't only responsible for housewife duties such as cleaning, cooking, and watching over children if any. Women have always been seen to rely on nothing more than a man and the income he collects from work, but now more women have proven their independence by not only being capable of working any job but also being capable of raising children without the help of a man. I also believe that society gives more respect and opportunities to women because of the influence their mothers have laid upon them, showing how caring and hardworking a woman can be in and outside of family matters.

Erick Valenzuela

9/9/2018 07:24:22 pm

I agree with the first and second presenters, that female roles have changed throughout the years, making women in literature be significant and memorable characters in stories. This aside from being a positive outcome of a progressive society, has blessed us with magnificent female lead characters such as Scout Finch, from To Kill a Mockingbird or Alice, from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. Women have transcended throughout the years no just as fictional characters but as the creators of amazing worlds in books that people acclaim. Female writers are essential, as they are able to bring in a genuine perspective to the story on what is like to be, feel and think like a woman. The insight that a female writer can provide from her perspective of the world, isn't just beneficial to any story but it is something only a woman can do. Strong female roles written by women provide a complete and rounded character, as the character could contain many of the experiences lived by the writer, instead of being a man’s perspective on women behavior.

Female roles in literature have gone to become a part of our American pop culture. Writer J.K Rowling delighted the world in 1997 when she published the first Harry Potter book, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone. The story if the boy who lived, that went on to have 6 more sequels, was made into 8 movies and won 3 Academy Awards. Needless to say that Hermione Granger is the perfect example of a strong independent woman. Female characters from novels have also become some of the most iconic and celebrated characters on Broadway shows. The best part is that these characters are not overshadowed by anyone. Strong female leads like Elphaba from the musical Wicked, Matilda, from Matilda the musical and Reno Sweeney from Anything Goes, teach us ,through their acts of kindness and bravery, that you can succeed on your own. Their messages of always being independent and striving for what you want and never stopping for anything help emphasize the roles that the women in the 21st century have. To conclude, female roles in literature have changed and benefited all of us, and although there is more work to get done a lot of progress has happened. I can say with all certainty that this is just the beginning.

Estefanie Perez-Velez

9/9/2018 08:44:15 pm

Women have been portrayed as dependable throughout past history . Women had to get married in order to have a great future. Women were seen as house wife; one to stay home and take care of the kids. If a women disagreed with men they would be shamed. Society believed that the men were the ones wear the pants.
This is not the case anymore. This is a new generation where women are done hiding behind the shadows of men. More and more women are raising their voice loud and clear. We have literature involving strong leading women and we have women who are activist. Times are changing and will continue to change until society sees both men and women are equal.

Selena Acosta

9/9/2018 08:59:53 pm

I agree with Jennifer and Sylvia, back then women had a role they had to follow such as being a mother and a housewife. Back then women were not allowed to work, leave the house or do what men were allowed to do. Honestly i don't find that fair at all, i feel like women had always had it hard. Its hard to believe that you had to be a man back then to be empowered or else you would've been considered weak.

Now days a lot has changed in literature when the author talks in the perspective of a women. They have more freedom and voice. Also there's women empowerment and women are free to express themselves.

Jonathan Avila

9/9/2018 09:10:12 pm

Jennifer and Sylvia have both agreed that womens point of view has changed over time and i agree with them. Over time women have become more empowered and are starting to be viewed less and less as damsels in distress and more as strong individuals. Back then seeing a book or any novel usually ended in the damsel having her problems resolved by man in some type of way but in present day we can find novels and movies like Frozen or Moana that show that women can resolve their own problems without the help of a big strong man.
However i still don't think that society has gotten completely rid of the idea of women not being as strong as men but it has become an idea that is becoming more accepted with society. I believe that time will continue to show that women will no longer need a man in their life for them to live a happy life. Society will continue to empower women and give them the recognition they deserve.

Jorge Moreno

9/9/2018 10:09:33 pm

Jennifer and Sylvia both agree to be true when it comes to how women have become less afraid of critiques, h].

Jorge Moreno

9/9/2018 11:48:10 pm

Hearing and observing both presentations Jennifer's and Sylvia's; I came to a feeling of understanding that both strongly agree; women have sharpen their point-of-view. As well have I noticed that both understand women are born to speak and stand for themselves, as both, man and women are the same.I agree with Sylvia when she speaks about how people viewed women wrong when they were viewed as breeders, housewives, and cooks only. in the end women's courage and strength has proven to break all judgment. I also agree with Jennifer when she said " Women then and now have changed through opportunities presented to them" meaning that through ones own personal experiences you learn to grow within your skin making you stronger and thicker.

Violeta Pina

9/9/2018 10:36:57 pm

I believe with the years going by women become little by little more independent by proving men wrong. For example now a days there is all girl Valet companies, not only can men drive exotic cars but so can women. When men pull up to a Valet and see its a women they are quick to judge and underestimate just because they see a women. In many other jobs as well women are underestimate but to this day we keep surprising men with higher job titles. Facts have shown that women can get the job done better than men.

Ana Huizar Avila

9/9/2018 11:09:33 pm

I agree with Silvia and Jennifer that a woman contributes a lot with our economy. Women can do anything they want study, and get her profession. In the past women were portrayed as weak and also like house wives. Authors and movie directors do portray different aspects of a women in their work than from the past. Women were not allowed to study and work. They were expected to marry by a certain age, have kids and take care of her husband. Women had to cook and clean.
I think that our religion, culture, society and family upbringing has to do a lot with how we view our roles of a women. In the past people were really closed minded to certain topics like sex education or even talking about menstruation to girls. In the past my mother could not study or work. Also she had to marry before she left her house. My father had to go and ask permission from my grandparents. This is the way my grandparents taught my parents. Throughout the generations things change because we evolve and are more advanced.
Throughout our history society views women differently. During the World War l, there was a high demand of workers for munitions factories. Women worked in many different vacant jobs considered to be men's work but for cheaper pay. After this society views women differently and slowly women started fighting for their rights. What I like the most of this era is the world war l propaganda posters to encourage women to join the military. The poster showing a women with a bandana, rolled up shirt showing her strength and "WE CAN DO IT" lettering.

Alfredo Vazquez

9/9/2018 11:26:10 pm

I agree with the second speaker, Women’s role has changed, for the most part they are more independent than before. Back then Women were portrayed as housewives,mothers, cleaners etc. Now in some relationships women are the ones that bring the food to the table. They are more prepared, meaning they have a higher education, better jobs etc. I believe an even bigger step could have been taken in 2016 if Hillary won the presidency, but I don’t doubt that we will soon be seeing a women run this country.

Jorge Moreno Felix

9/9/2018 11:42:03 pm

Hearing and observing both presentations Jennifer's and Silvia's; I came to a feeling of understanding that both strongly agree; women have sharpen their point-of-view. As well have I noticed that both understand women are born to speak and stand for themselves, as both, man and women are the same.I agree with Silvia when she speaks about how people viewed women wrong when they were viewed as breeders, housewives, and cooks only. in the end women's courage and strength has proven to break all judgment. I also agree with Jennifer when she said " Women then and now have changed through opportunities presented to them" meaning that through ones own personal experiences you learn to grow within your skin making you stronger and thicker.

Emanuel iniguez

9/11/2018 03:38:27 pm

We all have different views on thous aspect as in girls and guys what I think about this is that yess women has changes their more out like they don’t be depending on ya guys and more females are studying and becoming what they want to be instead of being house wifes

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